Personal dream avatars?, Just a thought... Options

[Amneal]

I've been into dreamweaving for a while and I JUST got into patching. I'm not very good, but a thought occured to me on how to improve on DS editor and Patch Editor: personal patches in dreams. I believe the DS MIGHT look something like this:
(0:9) When a furre arrives in the dream,
  (1:70) and their name is {Amneal},
(5:1001) Assign patch number # to the triggering furre.

Though doing this would probably create tremandous lag in the dream or possible increase it's upload size considerable, I don't believe it would have any negative impact on Furcadia as a whole, only make furcadia more enjoyable and give patchmakers (who are good, unlike me) a chance to show off their skills on themselves only.  

[Saturn Knight]

Wow, that's the most decent suggestion I've read in a long while.  I support that idea!

[Leticia]

Similar things have been suggested and are still a good idea.  There is one negative, and that is that people could give themselves dragons, or somesuch.  I don't think this is a big threat, however, not because it won't happen, but because it won't effect the sale of dragons considerably.  I can make a dream currently that makes all dragons big dollar signs, and replaces everyone else with dragons.  If I make a dream that gives a dragon avatar to my friends, either I need to eventually give a dragon avatar to everyone that's regular, or know that, feeling slighted, they're going to go off to another dream where they can be a dragon... or buy one.  The end result, then, is that either everyone ends up with a dragon (Similar to what dream patches now can do ANYHOW) or that it's used to add extra variety and races to the dream.  The other option is, of course, that the dream owner grants just themselves the dragon, however, very few people run guilds large enough that they could give themselves a dragon via DS in the dream and have enough people in the dream to see their dragonness to matter.  If you understand what I'm saying?

On the other hand, I've finished about half the patches to have a unique avatar patch for each member of my RPing group that's around regularly.  Since we are, of course, not all of different species, it would be VERY useful to be able to assign different patches to different people, for me to ever be able to use those patches.  (The mage robe patch I finished sometime ago was one of them.)  This would be a very GOOD and appropriate use, though it'd make my dream download awfully huge.

Then again, if I make it too big, no one will come in, no harm, no foul, you know?

[Amneal]

I understand what you are saying Letica, but I feel that the positive effects to furcadia would outweigh the negative effects. If someone makes themselves a dragon in their own dream, they only look like a dragon, they have no special abilitys. It would probably be a code most used by personal RP groups and their dreams, but that's okay, it simply makes everyone an individual.

P.S. Felorin, what is your obsession with mammals? Include an insect species in the next update! I want to glomp all the kittys I see on my Furcadia screen... Soooo many Kittys...

[Leticia]

I'm not disagreeing.  I was getting the opposing position seen most often out of the way and explaining how come I don't consider it valid. =P

[Ras Qulec]

well if you also add:
()and the triggering fur is (male/female/nut)
command then

(0:9) When a furre arrives in the dream,
 () and the triggering fur is (gender)
 () and the triggering fur is a (species)
(5:1001) Assign patch number # to the triggering furre.

the male and female avatars people have been complaining about...

good idea wont increase the size of the furc download by anything really and no extra art needs to be made for furc itself...

[Entropy Serpent]

There is one negative, and that is that people could give themselves dragons, or somesuch.  I don't think this is a big threat, however, not because it won't happen, but because it won't effect the sale of dragons considerably.  I can make a dream currently that makes all dragons big dollar signs, and replaces everyone else with dragons.  If I make a dream that gives a dragon avatar to my friends, either I need to eventually give a dragon avatar to everyone that's regular, or know that, feeling slighted, they're going to go off to another dream where they can be a dragon... or buy one.  The end result, then, is that either everyone ends up with a dragon (Similar to what dream patches now can do ANYHOW) or that it's used to add extra variety and races to the dream.  The other option is, of course, that the dream owner grants just themselves the dragon, however, very few people run guilds large enough that they could give themselves a dragon via DS in the dream and have enough people in the dream to see their dragonness to matter.  If you understand what I'm saying?

U r teh wrong.
Even if you do that for a player, it will affect only THAT player. S/he wil see himself as a dragon, but everyone else will see that player as it is defiend by the current patch assigned to them. So that shouldn't have any impact on the dragons sale.

[Daiktana]

I think she's talking about in dream patches which everyone sees.

I must admit I like this idea FAR better then "add species x".

I'd like to see the ability to draw from the item fshes for this but it'd have to be modded slightly either way.  Best way I could think would be to have a range in the DS where
(5:1001) Assign player {...} with objects # to #.
or to simply switch species for the select few:
(5:1001) Assign player {...} with player shape # to #.

I'm sure there's a simpler way of making the DS script but it works as an example.

This will probably follow the release of phoenixspeak or an individual player database for each person who enters a dream which I think is on Felorin's "To Do" list.

Great Idea though.

[Amneal]

I actually attempted making a player patch once that made furres into objects (I.E. Trees, Rocks, Statues, et cetera) when they layed down. Huge mess, it was like a pixel chemical spill. I like Daiktana's idea of assigning items for fuurres, but I believe that that would take way too much space in your item files. Perhaps Felorin could add maybe an item4... and maybe throw in 200x200 more map space? Hmm... you never know... (By the way Daiktana, I am eagerly awaiting the release of your new Space Station Gamma patch ^_^)

[Ras Qulec]

What I think was ment (or at least by me) was that the 'patch' was a .fsh file

and thus set patch would be set .fsh of a certain species/gender thing.

and it would broadcast this DS event command thing to everone in the dream wether or not they can see the furre so it registers with all the clients...

thusly drawing this .fsh's art instead of the default avatar. (a specific order would be needed in the file like walk1ne,walk2ne,sitne,sitse)

hmm with wings would be a nother added one...

CODE

() player activates wings
() and male
() and canine
 () give them (some winged whatever patch)

files could be named ppatch###.fsh

hmm... now it sounds like a lot of work for a coder/patch artists... but we're not THAT lazy now are we?

...

are we?



This post has been edited by Ras Qulec: Nov 24 2003, 04:27 PM

[Leticia]

There is one negative, and that is that people could give themselves dragons, or somesuch.  I don't think this is a big threat, however, not because it won't happen, but because it won't effect the sale of dragons considerably.  I can make a dream currently that makes all dragons big dollar signs, and replaces everyone else with dragons.  If I make a dream that gives a dragon avatar to my friends, either I need to eventually give a dragon avatar to everyone that's regular, or know that, feeling slighted, they're going to go off to another dream where they can be a dragon... or buy one.  The end result, then, is that either everyone ends up with a dragon (Similar to what dream patches now can do ANYHOW) or that it's used to add extra variety and races to the dream.  The other option is, of course, that the dream owner grants just themselves the dragon, however, very few people run guilds large enough that they could give themselves a dragon via DS in the dream and have enough people in the dream to see their dragonness to matter.  If you understand what I'm saying?

U r teh wrong.
Even if you do that for a player, it will affect only THAT player. S/he wil see himself as a dragon, but everyone else will see that player as it is defiend by the current patch assigned to them. So that shouldn't have any impact on the dragons sale.

First, you didn't read the entire thread, where I corrected someone ELSE'S misapprehension that I was saying it'd be a problem.

Second, you didn't read my entire post, or you would have seen that I'm FOR the idea.

THIRD, you didn't even read the excerpt you quoted!  I very clearly state what you state!

Here's the second sentence of what you quoted:
"I don't think this is a big threat, however, not because it won't happen, but because it won't effect the sale of dragons considerably."

Would it kill people to actually read what theyre responding to, rather than kneejerk arguing?

[Entropy Serpent]

THIRD, you didn't even read the excerpt you quoted!  I very clearly state what you state!

Umm, no, you didn't state what I stated. What I stated was that assigning a patch to a SINGLE player would make only THAT player see HIMSELF and OTHERS differently, but everyone !that_player would see him normally. Where did you state that?

[Leticia]

Oh, I see.  It's not that you didn't understand me, it's that you didn't understand the suggestion.  THe suggestion isn't to make different people see the dream differently - it's to assign particular avatar patches - non-standard avatar slots, basically - to people based on some DS'ed criteria.

Or at least, that's what I understand it as.

Therefore, assigning a patch to someone WOULD make everyone in the dream see them as whichever.

[Entropy Serpent]

Hmm, assigning additional virtual avatars based on the player's name? That might be a good thing, but I don't know how easy to implement it is. Besides, fixing the ghost bug would be much more usefull.

[Amneal]

Enthropy, did you read what I put the topic down as? It was to use DS to assign individuals avatars.

[Ras Qulec]

Hmm, assigning additional virtual avatars based on the player's name? That might be a good thing, but I don't know how easy to implement it is. Besides, fixing the ghost bug would be much more usefull.

not necessaraly JUST by name but by species and winged and MALE/FEMALE too (with a male/female add condion...)